Updated 9:27am 1/16 to include Commissioner Tobia Response
In the January 7 County Commission meeting, Commissioner Bryan Lober (R-District 2) presented recommended changes to the County’s policies on processing public records requests.
The major changes he presented which were adopted in a 3-2 vote were:
- Changing the definition of “extensive staff time” to any time after the first fifteen minutes to research, gather or process the public record request as well as the time spent with the requestor to review the records.
- In the event a request requires “extensive staff time” to respond, the full estimated cost of such time be paid in advance of processing the response to the request instead of 50% of the estimated cost (which is the County’s present policy).
- Change the hourly rates for “extensive staff time” to reflect the actual cost of the staff member(s) who are working on the response to the request. This would be the specific staff member’s hourly rate including the cost of benefits. This would eliminate the current fee rate schedule which has a blended or averaged professional rate ($16.26/hr) and an administrative rate ($9.44/hr).
Commissioner Lober went on to add, “As many individuals consider service on the Board of County Commissioners not to be a full-time job, for purposes of setting a uniform hourly rate for all County Commissioners, County Commissioners shall be deemed to work twenty-hour work weeks for computation of hourly rates in relation to a public record request.”
What does this mean? The best way to explain that is to give an example.
If a citizen makes a public records requests to Commissioner Lober’s office asking for communications between his office and the Sheriff’s office from the last 30 days, as it stood before, the requester would receive an email confirming the request and an estimate of the time needed to process the request, and an invoice if that time was determined to be over 30 minutes. The requester would then have to pay 50% of the invoice in order to process the request, and the other 50% to pick it up.
For this example we will say the estimate was 2 hours. The resident would receive an invoice of $24.39 for 1.5 hours (first 30 minutes is free) at a maximum rate of ($16.26/hr) should Lober himself or his professional staff have to review the request. The requester would have to come out of pocket for $12.20 (50%) to proceed with the request.
Under the current system which has now passed, the same request would be broken down in this fashion. To calculate the hourly rate should the request have to be reviewed by Lober for exemptions/redactions, it would be his annual salary of $58,145.36 divided by 52 weeks. ($1,118.18 per week) This is where it gets interesting.
Lober says because “many individuals consider service on the Board of County Commissioners not to be a full-time job” instead of dividing that weekly salary by 40 hours (a normal full time work week) to instead divide it by 20 hours. This essentially doubles the hourly rate for processing these requests. 40 hours would have equated to $27.95/hr, however Lober wants the residents to pay $55.90/hr instead. But that’s not true either, because what he wants to add to that rate which we don’t know the value of his benefits.
Benefits in the State of Florida are paid almost exclusively to full time employees, not part time. So, he wants to claim a rate twice as high as a “part time employee” but also include his benefits as a full time employee when calculating the time he charges citizens to review their public records requests.
Also, instead of giving 30 minutes for processing requests without charging, he has cut that in half to 15 minutes. That means the same exact request that would have costs the citizen $12.20 to start, will now cost $97.84 ($55.90 x 1.75 hours) which must be paid in full up front. That’s an increase of over 800% (not counting the value of benefits) for the same request. To approximate the cost of benefits it would be approximately $9-10/hr for every $10,000 of benefits.
It is also reasonable to believe that any public records request would realistically take at least 15 minutes to read, process, review and deliver.
During the discussion of the item, Commissioner Lober stated that the County was hemorrhaging money to process the increase of requests. This is a claim that was challenged by Commissioner Tobia who voted against the item.
Tobia asked Lober what was the actual cost to substantiate his claim, but he was unable to provide an actual number. For that reason Tobia stated he felt that the County was sacrificing transparency in government for an unknown savings if any at all.
In response to Lober pointing out the increase in public records request over the last 3 years, Tobia stated it was a positive thing to have the public want to be more informed about their government and it should be encouraged, not made more difficult or expensive.
Tobia also asked Lober if the increase in the number of requests also indicated an increase in the time to process them or could it in fact be less time due to advances in technology. Lober also could not answer that question with any certainty.
In Lober’s opening statement introducing the item, he stated the goal was to get the County as close as possible to net neutral, off-setting the costs of the request to the County as a result of the requests.
By law, the County can request these fees, but the argument can be made that this is simply the costs of government business. It can be further argued that unless the employee who is processing the request is being paid overtime to do so, then they are working within the limits of their normal work hours which is a set cost to the County whether they are processing public records requests or not.
I believe that a government that is accessible and open provides the greatest opportunity for citizen participation, which is critical to our system of governance.Commissioner Tobia
We have requested a report of overtime hours paid to employees who process public records requests from the Human Resources department. Depending on the outcome of that request, which we have reason to believe is very low to zero, we are unsure of what Commissioner Lober means by the County hemorrhaging money. By his own admission he did not bother to calculate it because he said it would be a waste of tax dollars to do so, in addition to not being able to quantify how much time was being spent on requests.
Commissioners Lober and Tobia were the only ones to discuss the item besides the County Attorney. Commissioner Smith made the motion to approve which passed 3-2 with Commissioners Isnardi and Tobia against the measure.
I think it is absurd. People already pay taxes for their government.
The real cost is when someone has excessive requests, often dynamite fishing.
For us Court Records are $1 a page, by statute. We do our best to make the copies available online for free.
Non-Court records are $.15 per page but we don’t even charge until we get past I believe 20 pages.
The first two hours of time is free for regular records, court records time is the same.
We’re not going to spend more money preparing and collecting a C.S. invoice than the revenue collected.
The salary should be based on the lowest possible person capable of doing the job. It is hogwash to assign high priced people to a low level job just to jack the cost, as well as a waste of your Supervisor time (I would hope). I’ve been stuck like that a few times on this bogus time and cost issue, the Board is copying over the policy from the Brevard County Sheriff’s Office.
Not one nickel should be paid for County Commission time.
Going further now, I will argue the County Commission job is a FULL-TIME job, whether they work it or not. PERIOD.
When I won the Commission job I quit my job out at Grumman’s Joint STARS and did the County Commission job full-time for all four years. If someone does not wish to work full-time then don’t run. And do not whine about how valuable you are compared to the salary of $58,000 a year.
The County ONLY has insurance benefits for full-time employees. The County Commissioners are in the insurance pool. They are full-time whether or not they choose to work it.
Sorry to go off but most of this is just absurd and why the public is worn out on politicians.
When and if we receive the information requested from the County, we will update the article.
Public records requests with the County can be done online by clicking here.
Oh no. Someone is mad they got caught playing on the internet on the tax payers dime and his assistant working another job from the county commission office. LOL Now he wants to stop you from seeing what he’s doing. Actually what he’s not doing.
First this guy raises taxes now he’s raising fees. RINO
Wow. Wonder why he would do that.
City of Titusville wants $32.99 an hour for two hours minimum for their records. They utilize Microsoft Access and the Laserfiche electronic document management system. It should not take two hours. Our tax dollars pay for these electronic document management systems and if you look up the systems they claim they are the best and fastest way to get records.
So the dude came with absolutely no facts to back up his unsubstantiated claims just so he can hide himself. Snake in the grass.
This guy switched to Republican right before he decided to run because he knew it was the only way he could get elected. Now he’s showing his true colors. Thank God for Tobia.
Just another way on trying to circumvent the peoples right to know by making it a undo burden, And this supposedly coming from the party worried about your rights. Article was spot on. Another politician that needs one and done. Vote em out
Sounds like bs to me. We pay taxes that pay for government employees. Then we have to pay more money for them to work then their actual pay. So we are paying them twice. How does it save the county money by us paying for something we already pay for.
Absolute bullshit. Who in their right mind thought this arrogant, self-important manchild was a good choice for Commissioner???
I’d like to point out that it wasn’t Commissioner Lober who increased the fee – it was the County Commissioners. He proposed it, but the Commissioners had the opportunity to turn it down. The only one who even asked a question was Commissioner Tobia. Choose your Commissioner carefully!
This guy is the worst commissioner on the worst overall Commission for Brevard I have seen in the past 35 years.
Speaking of voting wisely – this county’s track record of voting “red no matter who” apparently gives Isnardi great hopes for winning re-election even through her husband is an alleged criminal.
And Posey too – Anti-vaxxer, Trump sycophant…
He’s a crooked SOB that needs to be voted out. This is a corrupt plan by a corrupt county and commissioner that want to block citizens who can’t afford it from getting their public records which is our right to do so according to the law. There has been an increase in public records requests in this county lately and they just want to put an end to it or diminish transparency. I had to pay over $112 recently for my records.
So we don’t know how much these requests currently cost the County taxpayers.. but 3-2 they vote to increase citizens cost. we have a Commissioner who says it’s a part time job, but gets full time benefits. Yep – “transparency” now costs more.
This headline is wrong. Brian Lober made the proposal but it was supported by the majority of commissioners (3:2). Therefore, two other commissioners are equally to blame for this blatant attempt at preventing the public access to information that is, by definition, public records. Those commissioners are Smith and Pritchard.
Everyone needs to contact the County Commissioners individually and insist that this decision be reversed. They work for us, they answer to us, and they need to be held accountable. This is not ok.
I had expected more from Commissioner Pritchard, as I had truly thought she was for her constituents! Brevard County has had enough of crooked politicians and those who do nothing. Wondering how much each commissioner will get from the proceeds of this monumental task of printing a few pages off their files?